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		<title>By: Amy Fry</title>
		<link>http://dbl.lishost.org/blog/2008/07/11/what-librarians-can-learn-from-starbucks-fall/comment-page-1/#comment-9155</link>
		<dc:creator>Amy Fry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 03:58:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with StevenB AND with anonymous x. I think the key here is the phrase &quot;restore the exclusivity of the brand.&quot; Last year OCLC&#039;s &quot;Perceptions of Libraries&quot; survey found that people strongly associate libraries with books - and that association is often a very positive one. I was at ALA Annual this year, and, visiting the exhibits, I was struck by what was there - books, books, books. Users aren&#039;t confused about what our brand is, and vendors certainly aren&#039;t confused about what our brand is, but librarians, I think, really are. We know that the world of information is much larger than the books on our shelves (and, hey, I was an e resources librarian, so no one is more on board with that than I am), but what books and libraries represent physically for people is refuge - a world larger than the one we perceive in our town or city or campus. The experience of being in a library is, in part, an experience of taking refuge in that bigger place, and knowing there are people and institutions that will guard and keep it for you and others like you. Books - endless numbers of books that you can take and read, for free - represent that (and SO much more - the freedom to read and learn, the democratizing force of civic institutions in a commercial society, the idea of a public trust, freedom from censorship). We should embrace that brand and parlay that strong association our users have between books and libraries into the relationships we need to sustain our collections and programs.

Like x, &quot;I want the best product at the best price with as little fuss as possible.&quot; Which I get at my little local branch library - those folks are efficient! (La Mesa branch, San Diego County PL) But one day I went in and had this HUGE fine and the gal said, &quot;It&#039;s because you don&#039;t renew your videos! Renew your videos! I hate to see this happen to you because you&#039;re one of my favorites.&quot; And it meant so much to me that she said that, because I was new to the area and didn&#039;t know anybody and was (ok, am) unemployed. It just meant a lot that she noticed me. And I still go there and our relationship is no different - I check stuff out, she checks it out to me - but my bond with my library is a lot stronger because of that one thing she said. 

Personal service is tricky - it takes some finesse. It takes people people, not information people, and sometimes libraries have a hard time valuing people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with StevenB AND with anonymous x. I think the key here is the phrase &#8220;restore the exclusivity of the brand.&#8221; Last year OCLC&#8217;s &#8220;Perceptions of Libraries&#8221; survey found that people strongly associate libraries with books &#8211; and that association is often a very positive one. I was at ALA Annual this year, and, visiting the exhibits, I was struck by what was there &#8211; books, books, books. Users aren&#8217;t confused about what our brand is, and vendors certainly aren&#8217;t confused about what our brand is, but librarians, I think, really are. We know that the world of information is much larger than the books on our shelves (and, hey, I was an e resources librarian, so no one is more on board with that than I am), but what books and libraries represent physically for people is refuge &#8211; a world larger than the one we perceive in our town or city or campus. The experience of being in a library is, in part, an experience of taking refuge in that bigger place, and knowing there are people and institutions that will guard and keep it for you and others like you. Books &#8211; endless numbers of books that you can take and read, for free &#8211; represent that (and SO much more &#8211; the freedom to read and learn, the democratizing force of civic institutions in a commercial society, the idea of a public trust, freedom from censorship). We should embrace that brand and parlay that strong association our users have between books and libraries into the relationships we need to sustain our collections and programs.</p>
<p>Like x, &#8220;I want the best product at the best price with as little fuss as possible.&#8221; Which I get at my little local branch library &#8211; those folks are efficient! (La Mesa branch, San Diego County PL) But one day I went in and had this HUGE fine and the gal said, &#8220;It&#8217;s because you don&#8217;t renew your videos! Renew your videos! I hate to see this happen to you because you&#8217;re one of my favorites.&#8221; And it meant so much to me that she said that, because I was new to the area and didn&#8217;t know anybody and was (ok, am) unemployed. It just meant a lot that she noticed me. And I still go there and our relationship is no different &#8211; I check stuff out, she checks it out to me &#8211; but my bond with my library is a lot stronger because of that one thing she said. </p>
<p>Personal service is tricky &#8211; it takes some finesse. It takes people people, not information people, and sometimes libraries have a hard time valuing people.</p>
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		<title>By: StevenB</title>
		<link>http://dbl.lishost.org/blog/2008/07/11/what-librarians-can-learn-from-starbucks-fall/comment-page-1/#comment-9146</link>
		<dc:creator>StevenB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 21:02:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>X - You say you want information to be the product. You should read more DBL posts on the user experience. Focusing on information as the product is why library use is way down. People can get their information anywhere - or anywhere convenient for them. If all you want is information why bother with a library? The library can offer a unique experience in obtaining information or leveraging quality of the experience. I think creating meaning experiences for information seekers and personal relationships with librarians is a critical library value. So I&#039;m not sure what library values you seek to promote at your library.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>X &#8211; You say you want information to be the product. You should read more DBL posts on the user experience. Focusing on information as the product is why library use is way down. People can get their information anywhere &#8211; or anywhere convenient for them. If all you want is information why bother with a library? The library can offer a unique experience in obtaining information or leveraging quality of the experience. I think creating meaning experiences for information seekers and personal relationships with librarians is a critical library value. So I&#8217;m not sure what library values you seek to promote at your library.</p>
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		<title>By: x</title>
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		<dc:creator>x</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 20:27:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a library user and coffee drinker, I have no desire to have the staff know my name or interests. I want the best product at the best price with as little fuss as possible.  

As a librarian, I find the profession moving rapidly away from my values, presenting the experience as the product instead of information as the product. 

This post is anonymous because one of the many corporate habits my library has adopted is punishing dissenters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a library user and coffee drinker, I have no desire to have the staff know my name or interests. I want the best product at the best price with as little fuss as possible.  </p>
<p>As a librarian, I find the profession moving rapidly away from my values, presenting the experience as the product instead of information as the product. </p>
<p>This post is anonymous because one of the many corporate habits my library has adopted is punishing dissenters.</p>
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		<title>By: Karen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 07:36:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Starbuck&#039;s problems are a little more complicated than the original posting. According to an NY Times article (sorry I don&#039;t have the reference at hand), Starbucks in its eagerness to expand made some poor decisions in selecting locations. When they were still a rising star, they did a lot of solid research before selecting locations, but as the pressure to expand increased, they relaxed their standards and choose locations that were too close to other established locations or picked locations in areas that were expected to develop but didn&#039;t due to the decline in the housing market.

Nonetheless, I agree with some parts of StephenB&#039;s post.  Some patrons, customers, clients, consumers (whatever you want to call them) want to be treated well, want to talk to someone who is knowledgeable, want a satisfactory experience when they go to a library, a Starbucks, etc.  (Some customers, on the hand, shop for the best price and don&#039;t care about the experience.) Having worked in a large, medium-sized, and now a very small library, I have come to believe that small libraries can deliver a far better &quot;experience&quot; than larger libraries. The students where I work are amazed that I know their names and that I remember what they are interested in. In terms of personal satisfaction, does it get any better than that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Starbuck&#8217;s problems are a little more complicated than the original posting. According to an NY Times article (sorry I don&#8217;t have the reference at hand), Starbucks in its eagerness to expand made some poor decisions in selecting locations. When they were still a rising star, they did a lot of solid research before selecting locations, but as the pressure to expand increased, they relaxed their standards and choose locations that were too close to other established locations or picked locations in areas that were expected to develop but didn&#8217;t due to the decline in the housing market.</p>
<p>Nonetheless, I agree with some parts of StephenB&#8217;s post.  Some patrons, customers, clients, consumers (whatever you want to call them) want to be treated well, want to talk to someone who is knowledgeable, want a satisfactory experience when they go to a library, a Starbucks, etc.  (Some customers, on the hand, shop for the best price and don&#8217;t care about the experience.) Having worked in a large, medium-sized, and now a very small library, I have come to believe that small libraries can deliver a far better &#8220;experience&#8221; than larger libraries. The students where I work are amazed that I know their names and that I remember what they are interested in. In terms of personal satisfaction, does it get any better than that?</p>
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		<title>By: a coffee addict</title>
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		<dc:creator>a coffee addict</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 21:25:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>their drinks are often  lukewarm - probably due to our litigious culture

nobody in their right mind pays $4 for a lukewarm latte - sorry, no dice</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>their drinks are often  lukewarm &#8211; probably due to our litigious culture</p>
<p>nobody in their right mind pays $4 for a lukewarm latte &#8211; sorry, no dice</p>
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		<title>By: Library &#38; Literary Miscellany Links of the Week &#187; Library &#38; Literary Miscellany</title>
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		<dc:creator>Library &#38; Literary Miscellany Links of the Week &#187; Library &#38; Literary Miscellany</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jul 2008 17:36:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] What Librarians Can Learn from Starbucks Fall by Designing Better Libraries reiterates the importance of the personal touch and identifying/maintaining/bolstering core services [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] What Librarians Can Learn from Starbucks Fall by Designing Better Libraries reiterates the importance of the personal touch and identifying/maintaining/bolstering core services [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Dale</title>
		<link>http://dbl.lishost.org/blog/2008/07/11/what-librarians-can-learn-from-starbucks-fall/comment-page-1/#comment-9022</link>
		<dc:creator>Dale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jul 2008 16:19:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with the premise of the basic post, but think that the seemingly daunting task of really knowing all those customers isn&#039;t really quite as big a task as it might seem.  When I first went to Starbucks (in San Diego, many years ago), the workers certainly didn&#039;t know &lt;i&gt;most&lt;/i&gt; of the customers.  But they did know a few.  And they did ask everyone&#039;s name.  Not just to write the name on the cup, but (seemingly) because they wanted to know.  I&#039;ve found that a quick introduction &quot;I&#039;m Dale,&quot; (pause for a moment, in case the customer wants to provide a name) &quot;how can I help you today?&quot; is a simple way to create that kind of feeling.  I&#039;ve worked in tiny branch libraries, where I did know many customers and in huge central libraries, where I had very few repeat customers.  In either case, though, the customers can &lt;i&gt;feel&lt;/i&gt; welcome.

I also used to work at a library that used the Starbucks idea of being &quot;exclusive&quot; very well.  We advertised storytimes in the newspaper, with specific days to enroll.  Any child who missed more than 3 sessions of the &quot;term&quot; (which was about 9 weeks) &lt;i&gt;without&lt;/i&gt; notifying the library in advance had officially canceled.  When the storytimes were full, we developed a waiting list.  It wasn&#039;t anything like the ordinary &quot;drop in&quot; storytime&quot;.  Our director felt that children needed to interact with the same children for a few weeks and that parents needed to understand that this was a quality professional service.  Also, it mean that the children&#039;s librarian could build on concepts from week to week.

Now, in reality, any child who had &quot;dropped out&quot; was allowed back in, often to any other day or with another librarian.  Everyone on the waiting list was accommodated, generally very quickly.  But the structure felt more like something you had to pay for.

This was in a small town, where the library director could explain easily the the elected officials how this worked and that it truly excluded no one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with the premise of the basic post, but think that the seemingly daunting task of really knowing all those customers isn&#8217;t really quite as big a task as it might seem.  When I first went to Starbucks (in San Diego, many years ago), the workers certainly didn&#8217;t know <i>most</i> of the customers.  But they did know a few.  And they did ask everyone&#8217;s name.  Not just to write the name on the cup, but (seemingly) because they wanted to know.  I&#8217;ve found that a quick introduction &#8220;I&#8217;m Dale,&#8221; (pause for a moment, in case the customer wants to provide a name) &#8220;how can I help you today?&#8221; is a simple way to create that kind of feeling.  I&#8217;ve worked in tiny branch libraries, where I did know many customers and in huge central libraries, where I had very few repeat customers.  In either case, though, the customers can <i>feel</i> welcome.</p>
<p>I also used to work at a library that used the Starbucks idea of being &#8220;exclusive&#8221; very well.  We advertised storytimes in the newspaper, with specific days to enroll.  Any child who missed more than 3 sessions of the &#8220;term&#8221; (which was about 9 weeks) <i>without</i> notifying the library in advance had officially canceled.  When the storytimes were full, we developed a waiting list.  It wasn&#8217;t anything like the ordinary &#8220;drop in&#8221; storytime&#8221;.  Our director felt that children needed to interact with the same children for a few weeks and that parents needed to understand that this was a quality professional service.  Also, it mean that the children&#8217;s librarian could build on concepts from week to week.</p>
<p>Now, in reality, any child who had &#8220;dropped out&#8221; was allowed back in, often to any other day or with another librarian.  Everyone on the waiting list was accommodated, generally very quickly.  But the structure felt more like something you had to pay for.</p>
<p>This was in a small town, where the library director could explain easily the the elected officials how this worked and that it truly excluded no one.</p>
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		<title>By: Ken Liss</title>
		<link>http://dbl.lishost.org/blog/2008/07/11/what-librarians-can-learn-from-starbucks-fall/comment-page-1/#comment-8995</link>
		<dc:creator>Ken Liss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 16:22:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If part of Starbucks&#039; unique experience has been &quot;treating customers personally and having them recognized by the baristas,&quot; that was dependent on their being part of a physical neighborhood where people live, work, or regularly pass through.  Libraries may not have the same kind of physical neighborhoods -- although branches, especially in public libraries certainly serve that role - but many have intellectual neighborhoods with staff who know their customers and understand the kinds of things they need.  It&#039;s a different kind of user experience than takes place at general service points.

I work four hours a week on the general reference desk in an academic library.  I enjoy the variety, but, with some exceptions, most of the faces are unfamiliar and, like Starbucks employees dealing not just with coffee but with complicated drinks and a growing variety of foods, I can&#039;t possibly bring the same knowledge and experience into all of the conversations that I do in my own core subject.

But I spend most of my time working with communication studies students in the communication neighborhood. It&#039;s not a physical location.  I interact with students in classrooms, in my office, via Meebo and e-mail, on subject guides and course pages, via the Comm Department&#039;s e-newsletter, in the dining halls, on the shuttle bus, wherever and whenever. It&#039;s their neighborhood, and they know I&#039;m there and how to find me.  And unlike the reference desk, if they have to come back they know they&#039;re going to get me again.

In this neighborhood, I not only know many of the students,  I know their courses, their assignments, the quirks of their professors, the kinds of problems other students have run into, and, of course, how to find and make use of available resources to help them.  

This may not work everywhere and for everyone, but for many libraries and librarians it&#039;s one of the ways we can leverage specialization and personal recognition to become part of the neighborhood and build a unique user experience.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If part of Starbucks&#8217; unique experience has been &#8220;treating customers personally and having them recognized by the baristas,&#8221; that was dependent on their being part of a physical neighborhood where people live, work, or regularly pass through.  Libraries may not have the same kind of physical neighborhoods &#8212; although branches, especially in public libraries certainly serve that role &#8211; but many have intellectual neighborhoods with staff who know their customers and understand the kinds of things they need.  It&#8217;s a different kind of user experience than takes place at general service points.</p>
<p>I work four hours a week on the general reference desk in an academic library.  I enjoy the variety, but, with some exceptions, most of the faces are unfamiliar and, like Starbucks employees dealing not just with coffee but with complicated drinks and a growing variety of foods, I can&#8217;t possibly bring the same knowledge and experience into all of the conversations that I do in my own core subject.</p>
<p>But I spend most of my time working with communication studies students in the communication neighborhood. It&#8217;s not a physical location.  I interact with students in classrooms, in my office, via Meebo and e-mail, on subject guides and course pages, via the Comm Department&#8217;s e-newsletter, in the dining halls, on the shuttle bus, wherever and whenever. It&#8217;s their neighborhood, and they know I&#8217;m there and how to find me.  And unlike the reference desk, if they have to come back they know they&#8217;re going to get me again.</p>
<p>In this neighborhood, I not only know many of the students,  I know their courses, their assignments, the quirks of their professors, the kinds of problems other students have run into, and, of course, how to find and make use of available resources to help them.  </p>
<p>This may not work everywhere and for everyone, but for many libraries and librarians it&#8217;s one of the ways we can leverage specialization and personal recognition to become part of the neighborhood and build a unique user experience.</p>
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